
The question of how far is too far when it comes to big game hunting has been tossed around a lot in the past decade as technology has made hitting targets beyond 500 yards much easier. These advancements have also spurred state game agencies and conservation groups to ponder how to regulate long range hunting. As can be expected, there is no clear cut answer to regulation or IF it’s even possible.
I love shooting long distances. Honing my shooting mechanics so I can routinely make first-round hits at distances from 500 to 1500 yards makes me a better shot in the field and turns 300 yard shots into layups under most conditions. That said, my personal effective hunting range doesn’t stretch much past 500 yards.
My reasoning for this is that a hit is a hit on a steel plate, but the probability of wounding a game animal instead of making a clean, ethical kill when the distance stretches beyond 500 yards skyrockets.
For example, this time of year I’m at the range a lot; testing new rifles, ammunition and optics for Eastmans’ Multimedia. Last week I ended my range session by stretching the legs on one of my hunting rifles with a 1148 yard shot on a 36”x36” steel plate. There was a steady breeze and it was cool enough that heat waves weren’t much of an issue. I dialed the correct DOPE, settled in and sent a round downrange. I managed to score a first round hit! Pretty cool, but…
The shocking amount of time it took my bullet to make impact at 1148 yards was more than enough for an animal to change position and my bullet to wound instead of kill. I record all my shots beyond 300 yards with a digi-scoping setup so I can examine my hits and misses over and over. When I played the video back it was plain as day that my DOPE and wind call were correct but again, what really stuck out in my mind was how long that bullet took to cover the distance.
That alone is why I’m not a proponent of long range hunting… there is simply too much at stake.
Now, I know that my shooting skills aren’t as solid as some of you reading this and your MER (Maximum Effective Range) may be further than mine. However, I can tell you from reading hundreds of story submissions each year that when the distance stretches beyond 40 yards for bowhunting and 400 yards for rifle hunting, the percentage of clean, one-shot harvests drops significantly.
In my mind long range shooting is best for practice on inanimate objects and hunting should be about getting as close as possible to ensure a clean take of the target animal.
Can we regulate it? Not likely, but we can and should regulate ourselves. Our big game animals are more valuable than ever and hunting opportunities come too dear for us to take shots on game that are maybes. We must know we can cleanly kill an animal before we take a shot.
The old saying, “You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take,” doesn’t apply to hunting.
As always I’d love to hear your opinion on this topic.
I’m probably about the same. I can say I’ve never shot and lost (wounded) a game animal. I think an experience like that would ruin hunting for me personally. I’ve successfully taken a shot at 475 yards, but I practiced out to 500 yards, I had great ammunition, had a great field rest, and good shooting conditions. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get any closer, otherwise I would have. I certainly do not purposefully look for long range shots. I’ll happily take a 25 yard shot!
I have no issues with long range shooting, but I hope everyone takes ethical shots on animals that are within their capabilities. There aren’t that many people who truly are competent taking 1000 yard shots on game animals. I consider competent being < 10% chance of wounding and losing the game animal. I’ve been shooting a long time and I would certainly have to pass on that shot.
It all depends on your gear, your “practiced” skill level, the game you’re hunting, and where you hunt. 500 yards and under for me is my realistic distance with a preference of under 300 yards. My gear is capable of more, but ballistics start to seriously become questionable “energy wise” and unseen cross winds if there’s no mirage or plant and trees available for reference. I live and hunt in Nevada, well I put in for tags every year and hunt every 6 or 7 years.😤 Shot distance ethics are tricky, sometimes we forget about the stalk, which may be the most important thing.
500 yards is plenty far! Leave it at that and enjoy the hunt!
Absolutely agree with you Todd. There are some amazing shooters nowadays, making some amazing shots on steel targets and I am certain they could also place their shots where they want it at least 8 times out of 10, but they can’t control what an animal does from the time they pull the trigger to the time the bullet arrives on target. The goal should ALWAYS be to get as close as humanly possible to your target when you’re shooting at game. We owe it to them to kill them as quickly, humanely, and assuredly as possible. Long range shooters have nothing to prove in the field, so let’s not disrespect the animal by shooting at ranges that give them time to screw us up by moving.
How about a max 4 power scope? Enough to shoot 400 yards but maybe not enough for 800+. Thoughts?
I hadn’t thought about that…but that isn’t a bad idea. I would be a little upset considering the money I’ve spent on larger scopes, but I could live with installing a fixed 4x scope on my hunting rifle. I could deal with that…
Hunting has changed dramatically in my lifetime, 64, the lack of ethics, respect for the game we hunt, respect for other hunters, respect for private property, all have suffered. It’s become too much about the kill, the possession of a dead animal. Is it everyone, of course not. But it is much more prevalent than it used to be. Too many people are not ethical, will not admit that they are incapable of long, or even medium range, hunting.
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Plenty of people can accurately shoot farther than the self imposed 500 yards mentioned in the article. Many of us have spent a lot of time and money shooting and honing our skill. Because a few don’t regularly do it or don’t feel like it’s ethical doesn’t mean there aren’t others that can ethically take clean shot shots at a much farther distances. The rifle I shoot runs at 2975 fps so it’s going to hit anything you aim at in 1 second. Shot timing is not an issue. Not everyone can move in closer in all situations.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but speaking for myself I’ve had plenty of one shot clean kills beyond 500 yards. I’ve never had to take more than one shot. All clean ethical kills. I’m old, can’t get around very well, but I shoot a lot and I enjoy hunting and harvesting animals ethically, just the same as those who aren’t comfortable at farther distances.
“runs at 2975 fps ” . Yes, for one inch from the muzzle !!!
Disagree. People can’t control themselves or stand by self-imposed limitations. We are pretty weak when it comes down to a big mule deer buck and or personal record 350-inch elk. I’ve hunted 7 nonresident states to me and witnessed every Tom Dick and Harry with a new PRC this cartridge and Hornady or Berger ammo shooting WAY beyond their capabilities. Hunting is a sad scene right now. It’s all about the gram/likes and YouTube influencers. Now even those guys are out shooting 22 Creedmoor’s 700 yds at mule deer bucks and poaching in multiple instances all for the gram. I shoot a lot. I enjoy shooting out to 1300 yds on steel and paper. But I would be more than happy to vote for a new law giving us all 4x scopes and or straight wall cartridges. Give these animals a chance for God’s sake.
I agree…I could get by with a fixed 4x. It would be a nice fixed 4x, but I could live with that.
Although long range hunting is legal I believe it is totally unethical. These magnificent animals we hunt deserve a swift clean death and then to be consumed to feed a family. Montana Game and Fish did a study on Wounding Loss During Big Game Season and found that for every 100 animals shot 15 to 30 were not retrieved due to wounding.
Very few hunters have the ability to take game much past 350 yards. There are no concrete benches in the mountains and plains, most people are out of shape, the air is thin in the mountains for flatlanders, few people have the physical ability to shoot across a mountain valley and negotiate tree blowdowns, rock slides and mountain streams in a quick manner inorder to get to the game both down and up the other side of the mountain.
Just because every scope in Cabelas and Scheels is a dial up does not make everyone a what to be sniper. This topic troubles me, it is not hunting…. Get as close as you can and shoot responsibly, the sport you save my be the one you love the most.. Legal yes, ethical hell NO.
Ever wonder why the quality and quantity of game animals has diminished in the last 10-20 years. Loss of habitat, winter storms, disease, predators and Long Range shooting have all contributed to the down fall of Big Game Hunting.
I agree that it is out of hand. I have made long shot, paid my dues before hand with knowing the load, gun and ballistics. The element we cannot control is what the animal does in the seconds, even at 500 yds, while the bullet travels. A gust of wind down rhe canyon that is undetectable also makes a bad mess. After almost 70 years afield, #1 is respect for the animal. It’s not about your inflated ego
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This was my response several years ago to a video posted on social media. I still stand by my words.
Sorry, but my phlem hacking, can’t stop coughing, one bad knee, uncle on oxygen, can stalk within 1200 yards of any deer out there. I’ll give you credit, it’s one helluva shot. I was a high power competitive marksman for over 20 years, so I know a thing or two (maybe three) about shooting, to include long range shooting. I don’t claim to know everything, but I know plenty about ballistics, wind effects, reading mirages, minutes of angle and such. So, I’d be the first to congratulate you on the shot. Putting it all together isn’t always easy. But is it really hunting? Is it really ethical? Not knowing your load exactly, I’ll give it 3000 ft per second velocity at the muzzle, puts your projectile on target in approximately 1.4-1.6 seconds (likely longer), plenty enough time for the animal to take a step or turn ever so slightly, resulting in a wounded animal, but we wouldn’t show that video. Wouldn’t it be more sporting, and challenging, to stalk within a reasonable range and harvest the animal? Yeah, I know what’s reasonable to one, isn’t reasonable to the next. You and many others, to include myself, are capable of making the long shot, ninety-some times out of one hundred. What about those few times when you miss, and I know you miss, because none of us are perfect? I’ve taken deer at long range too, not 1235 yards, but 600-some (before we had electronic rangefinders I might add and with an open-sighted M1), but I don’t do it anymore. I realized there is too much room for error. There are too many people out there, who will watch this video and think, if he can do it, I can do it, and they will try it (probably without the training and practice that you have). You guessed it, resulting in a few kills (not many), mostly misses, but some wounded animals that aren’t recovered. More fodder for the anti-hunters. I just think it is much better to promote, stalking skills that will put a hunter close to their target and result in nice clean kills a higher percentage of the time, by the average hunter. Again, I take nothing away from your accomplishment, and I congratulate you on a fine (hell it was a great) shot. You obviously have the training, and have practiced enough to make such a shot. I just ask that as hunters, who promote the sport of hunting, we choose wisely how we do it and the perception we portray. Especially to those who are just thinking about getting into hunting, or those who don’t have the equipment, training and practice to make such a shot. Stay calm – maintain a good sight picture – controlled breathing – gentle squeeze. Ahhhhh, nothing but recoil, such a great feeling. Keep your head up and your nose down. Be proud of who you are and what you can do. But let’s keep the bazillion yard shots on the rifle range where they belong, because when you miss on paper or cast iron, nothing gets hurt, except your pride.
Hunting with a rifle is for the weak and incompetent. Grab a long bow or recurve and learn the difference between hunting and shooting !
Nobody needs elitist attitudes like yours. As hunters, we need to stick together. We are already out-numbered by anti-hunters. Demeaning others who don’t have an interest in archery does absolutely no good for our cause.
Here we go! The Kings of Wounding and Losing: Archery Hunters. And they want to act somehow more Ethical!!?!
I’m saddened…..saddened to read all of the division in our ranks as hunters. Everyone’s Maximum Effective Range is different, and it changes constantly. It not only depends on a person’s skill level, equipment, and knowledge, but it can also change with weather, terrain and altitude. Sometimes it’s farther, some days it’s shorter. Demanding that someone limit themselves to a contrived number that was picked out of thin air is unfair and asinine. I’m really disheartened to hear the word “Regulate” uttered, as there are far too many regulations as it is. We as a race, are regulating ourselves out of existence. I don’t condone wanton waste or reckless wounding of game animals, quite the contrary, but outlawing this or regulating that is not what will change it. That will come from hunters teaching the next generation about the value of game animals and our hunting traditions, our ethos, our morals………one hunter at a time.
I don’t disagree, but my observations in the field would indicate that the values, morals, and traditions aren’t necessarily trickling down. Perhaps social media is having a larger influence…?
That is unfortunate and I hope things turn around for the better. I would hope that additional regulation isn’t necessary, but it isn’t trending that way.
I don’t consider that division; I’m not going to support some of the poor ethics I’ve seen in the field in the name of false unity. Thankfully, it is the actions of the few and not the majority.
There is a big difference between hunting big game via spot and stalk techniques, and spot and ambush with high power optics; often from great distances. I have unethical prior acquantances who speak of 500-1000 yard shots taken and wounding many animals: but still eventually filling their tags.
Hunting should be about the pursuit and the experience in the field: not a long range shooting competition. As a former bow hunter (with 2 new shoulders) I would never shoot at game with a rifle over 300 yds.
Ethics are personal! I don’t define yours and you sure as hell don’t define mine, so stop trying to limit me to your old, white guy rules you near-sighted, technology ignorant trigger sleepers. Give me Liberty or give me Death! This Is STILL America!
Your ignorance of physics is breathtaking
I don’t think ethics are personal. I think there are some generally accepted rules for behavior…call them societal norms. I think we need to reign in the outliers and if necessary…impose regulations. If people are shooting and wounding game from distances they’re not proficient from, then it it time for some regulations. Someone suggested allowing only a maximum of 4X scopes for hunting big game – I can live with that. I have several long range rifles…certainly capable of a 1000 yard shot, but I don’t believe that is ethical hunting behavior. The game animals deserve better than that…